SanderO wrote:
After doing a quick read of your definitions I have no trouble is trying to stick with them to discuss the issues at hand.?
Oh! I was not implying that I think you should change your definition of 'addiction' to mine; however, I probably would not be inclined to use the popular definition of the term, because I prefer to use terms such as 'obsession' or 'compulsion' or 'fixation' for non-substance-oriented repetitive, uncontrollable behaviours, so if you say to me 'addiction' I'm always going to respond as if you are referring to a chemical dependency, otherwise I really don't know what you are referring to because there are soooo many different kinds of repetitive, uncontrollable behaviours.
SanderO wrote:
There is a underlying frame, perhaps the psychologist's frame that seeks to explain behavior as the outward response(s) to an inner mental landscape. For example I had such and such a childhood and as an adult it is expressed in sadism or submissive behavior or narcissism. This seems to imply that we have little choice in this.
Yes, that is basically what American Psychology claims, but it is not thought of as 'outward response to an inner landscape', that would be classic psychoanalytic thought. Popular psychology (i.e. Behaviorism) claims that there is no 'inner mental landscape'; there are only conditioned automatic responses to external stimuli and nothing further than that; basically that all animals and humans are nothing more than programmed automata. Most Western countries other than the US have various, equally popular competing theories that do not think of humans as just reactionary blobs with no control, just simply programmed to respond to certain situations in a certain way and nothing more than that; no free will, no personal choice, etc. The US is totally dominated by the school of thought called Behaviorism, (Skinner, Watson, et. al.) which arose in the first half of the 20th century and is still the most preferred model. It's also the most over-simplified model of human nature that has ever been created in all of the history of humankind. The absurdity and stupidity of the Behaviorist model has been revealed a zillion times by very sophisticated researchers and scientists, for example the Gestalt Theorists in the 1930's and 40's, (who also undeniably proved that animals reason) but they are largely ignored by the Established Order (i.e. pop-psychology and pop-culture which is heavily influenced by pop-psychology).
SanderO wrote:
I would posit that we make choices about our behaviors in the realm of fetish or BDSM because we have attached meaning to those behaviors and actions or simply we have linked them to the human sexual response which is generally a "feel good" experience. We all seem to select feel good as opposed to feel bad experiences.
What seems to be at play in BDSM is that we can habituate our responses by conditioning and positive or negative reinforcement. Call it addiction, obsession, chemically induced from the outside or from within, but the same stimulus response reaction is enabled and becomes a pattern.
I think that you are mixing up two models and coming up with a muddled, logically inconsistent mix. Are you saying that we choose our responses through the meanings we willfully, perhaps even carefully, attach to various objects, situations, and scenes? ...or are you saying that we develop automatic, unconscious responses based entirely on environmental 'reinforcers' and/or chemical reactions that control behaviour?
SanderO wrote:
It seems reasonable to suggest that some kinky behaviors may not necessarily be cathartic or dealing with a deep underlying psychological need in all cases, but are more aligned with substance addiction - the so called endorphin rush or high. This leads to the question as to why people seek being high. Doesn't it?
This is 'reasonable' only if you accept the Behaviorist model, and believe in 'addiction' to the body's own chemicals; that is, you believe that chemicals in your body cause and control your behaviours. That is a popular theory, but like all theories that rely on brain chemicals to make claims, it is highly suspect and can never be proven. The chemicals the body creates during certain acts may only be a side-effect rather than a cause! There are multiple ways to explain why humans appear to have the need to alter their consciousness once in a while under specific, controlled conditions, within a sexual context or otherwise. Animals do it also, not just humans. Mountain goats eat coca leaves for one example.